We all know what the Viz Manga says and it's generally regarded as the Can you also differentiate Death Ball from Super Nova? Though your reasoning for why Frieza was smarter on Namek is complete nonsense. Frieza was probably scared of him, if he knew of his e... Grey Buu is stronger. Also, your comparison of raditz vs Goku's KHH, remember that Kami told goku to not waste his energy by using it in useless movements, so he keeps himself suppressed most of the time, and that's why his power lowered down again after doing KHH. I think he was stronger than depicted, it's just that Trunks landed a mortal blow by surprise and Frieza had 0 chance to do better. Gohan mentions Frieza is suppressed and there is never any mention of him powering up, however having him killed off not at full power doesn't make sense story telling wise. Goku was >= freeza at that point, but mecha is fodder to namek SS level. He was at 50% fighting Goku then for one attack he hit Goku with 70% of his power. It might be a hint that Frieza wasn't using all of his power. That doesn't necessarily qualify as proof either, though. Gohan says Namek freeza 100% >>> Mecha freeza. Frieza, of course, would grow even stronger in Dragon Ball Super , even gaining a new Golden Form that puts him on the same level of power as Goku in Super Saiyan God Form. 100% is slow and he loses energy fast. It's safe to say that he was stronger than he was on Namek. Also, was that thing in super too? Mecha-Frieza Was Stronger than He Was on Namek "Papa, if the two of us fight him together, we're sure to beat him." Mecha Frieza. I kinda remember a scan of him saying he didnt need Cold's help since he increased his power he could kll Goku himself and wanting to show off his new power. Mecha Frieza is how he was when he attacked Trunks (if he wasn't at full power he can't power up). 0. king of Jobbers gets chopped in half by death saucers. How can Namek saga Frieza be smarter than Mecha Frieza. Who's stronger, Super Perfect Cell or Grey Buu? but he never wanted to try. While his body was damaged in the aftermath of Planet Namek's destruction, Frieza is brought back from the brink of death as a cyborg. Supernova was only seen in the anime, movies and Bardock special. That's the exact same reason he didn't destroy Namek instantly.... @thedarkpaladin: I agree, there really isn't enough info. Even if he lasts that long, he'd be severely damaged. Moderated by: SgtMartin, EpicRaptorMan. The reason he didn't blow up earth is because he wanted to fight Goku himself. Mecha Frieza Edit. Sure, it can. Also, how is freeza supposed to know that he "powered up"? It just wouldn't be logical. To be fare power ups are usually noted in dragon ball, however it is possible he powered up. Due to the damage he had gained by Super Saiyan Goku, and the destruction of Namek, Frieza was found by his father, King Cold and transformed into Mecha Frieza. @apex_pretador: Another piece of evidence organic Frieza is stronger is that Sorbet acted like it was a good thing Frieza was brought back without mechanical parts. I think the most likely scenario is his blast was powered up but he didn't raise his actual power level. The clone of Frieza created by Gero is entirely loyal to it's creator, obeying every order. So someone's personality can't change over time? Mecha Frieza is stated to be stronger than he was on Namek, but it’s never stated how much stronger. I literally claimed there wasn't enough evidence to be 100% which is very reasonable logic, unlike your own. (You'd think they'd even take into account the fact that he had likely trained, but I'm willing to let the revelation that they didn't slide.) Full Armor Mecha Frieza appears in the video game Super Dragon Ball Z, this form is a stronger version of Mecha Frieza (called Cyborg Frieza in-game): this form has a rocket launcher mounted on his shoulder, the ammunition for which are stored behind his other shoulder, he has a belt of explosives around his waist, and his tail is upgraded with additional armor and sharp blades. Mecha Frieza was much stronger than previously, as, at 50% power he believed that he could easily outmatch a Super Saiyan. Still, there is no way to know for sure if that is the case or not. Also there's that line with Gohan saying that Frieza could get much stronger. In Dragon Ball, who is more powerful 100%, Frieza or Mecha frieza? TheMikado I Live Here Posts: 4884 Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:28 pm. Mecha Frieza was chopped up by a sword, lol. I didn't think Mecha was much stronger than 100%, just that they'd fight long enough till 100% loses enough power, so I still back him in this fight. Yeah, but it's unknown whether or not Mecha Frieza can use his buff form at that point. He thought he killed Trunks with it and then was surprise attacked. The Cyborg version of Frieza, or his older brother? Mecha Frieza is like the new and improved version of original Frieza, so I give it to him plus Frieza at 100% has shown not so good durability and has stamina issues. He was said to have gotten stronger than he was on Namek. just sit on his laurels and enjoy what he’d inherited. Mecha Frieza constantly mentions that he's new, improved, and stronger than before. Too bad Frieza showed no signs of major personality change whatsoever, so you claiming that he was dumber is based on nothing. "I may be able to take care of him by … If you don't like being called out on it, dont use fallacious logic. He tanked an explosions that could be seen from space. Cyborg frieza wins. No sense? mecha frieza rip off of is actually stronger that his 100% form and more on par with the androids trunks fought in the future Mecha Frieza's power level is 14,000,000. freiza power level is stronger frieza vs trunks . Join Community. Cooler is stronger than Frieza, thus he is stronger than King Cold. It should be noted that the Dragon Ball Minus manga shows him blowing up planet Vegeta with a similar blast. SSJ2 Gohan couldn't beat Majin Buu, but could beat Cell. Share Share Tweet Email. Goku in his base form in Resurrection F is stronger than Kid Buu so clearly, Frieza with his Golden form is significantly stronger. His attack might of been full power, but not his body, if you know what I mean. 543 Anime Fans. Mecha-Frieza Was Stronger than He Was on Namek "Papa, if the two of us fight him together, we're sure to beat him." Also, remember that mecha freeza is nowhere near as smart as namek freeza (He denied blowing up the planet when king cold said so), Lol, what a surprise this is... After using nothing but straw man arguments in our last conversation, you're now using an argument from ignorance fallacy. Mecha Frieza could probably go 100% buff mode. He normally has four forms, though he has an additional Mecha form, a Golden Form, and also a few additional video game exclusive forms. he knew all along he could become the most powerful being in the universe utterly unrivaled if he bothered to try, and train. ;). Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > Geralt of Rivia. Time for you to find the name of another logical fallacy because you can't counter me :) :D. So, you can't prove me wrong, and just call my arguments logical fallacies, when you can't back up anything you say with any evidence and rely on speculations, man, what a solid logic !!! But everything in that fight is noted, every minor change in ki. Thus, Grey Buu is stronger... ...t forget they are actually genetically enhanced Jackson's Chameleons from before the war, not just mutants. Man, this is a non-subbed full movie, and it's not easy to go through a video. Please read post 24.You may change your opinion after that. He already knew what an SSJ was capable of and he was clearly frightened after witnessing Trunks transform: Also, Gohan's statement was made before Trunks even showed up. The Frieza clones created by Android 21 are mindless drones, only being aware of how to fight like their template. And there is a big difference between a change in personality and a change in intelligence. Mecha Frieza, mostly since 100% was slowly losing power. Kind of like how when fighting Raditz Goku's power level jumped up when he used his kamehameha. Comment. He is willing to abandon the original plan to wait for Goku and he knows what an SSJ is capable of so there is no reason for him to hold back. Thread starter Trollasaur; Start date Aug 8, 2013; 1; 2; Next. So, you can't prove me wrong, and just call my arguments logical fallacies, when you can't back up anything you say with any evidence and rely on speculations, man, what a solid logic !!! That is completely illogical. It's safe to say that he was stronger than he was on Namek. Geralt of Rivia, Dec 16, 2011. It might be a hint that Frieza wasn't using all of his power. So for a all we know, he Considering that Goku's powers have risen exponentially since then and when the Androids arrive on earth, the fighting sequences which depict them just do not have the velocity it had in Frieza Saga. Maybe during his final attack. From the time he showed up during the Frieza Saga, he has been the most feared and hated villain in the entire franchise. frieza died in the begining of the android saga when him and king cold (his dad) go to earth to finish off goku, but the "mysterioust youth" (future trunks) shows up and kills both of them.... How many people are there in the whole world? Top. He increased his power for a second for one attack. There isn't any scouter in the world which can measure that power, and it is given that the biggest scouter reading is 2nd form freeza, & even that isn't a 100% sure reading. How strong is Metal Cooler actually? I really don't see any other point in adding that line. it is differant in the anime and the manga but frieza blast that could kill vegita did little to trunks . 1 of 2 Go to page. We all know how good the fight between freeza 100% and goku was. The US Bureau of Statistics makes extrapolations from known data, but in undeveloped countries, the population numbers are probably ... ... on which form they are in and if you are including the spin off like the movie where cooler creates an army of meta coolers, each of which has the abilities of the original cooler. To be fare power ups are usually noted in dragon ball, however it is possible he powered up. Never change. it is differant in the anime and the manga but Today, two villains from the Dragon Ball Z series, who were supposedly killed, return as mechanized versions of their original selves, are going to battle each other to the Death to see who is the Supreior being. He shot another one that pushed Trunks back. And guess what isn't noted - freeza powering up. So, it didn't happen. Messages: 9,370 Likes Received: 0 Trophy Points: 0 Joined: Aug 11, 2007 Reputation: Wasteland 100m This thread is a trap and I'm using it to prove a point later on. In that case coole... ...r is actually is stronger than Frieza. The scans I just posted was Frieza's final attack before being killed. Cooler has one more transformation than Frieza.Yes due to Cooler passing to the next tranformation after which Frieza got. @thedarkpaladin: So do you think mecha Frieza as using his full power on Trunks? In some video games, Mecha Frieza can power up to 100%, when he does so his aura begins crackling with red electricity and his body begins glowing with power. Frieza's Japanese voice actor, Ryūsei Nakao jokingly placed Golden Frieza's power level at “one hundred quintillion” (or 1.2 billion times stronger than the Fourth form). Freeza's ki and KC's ki is noted when they are about to appear on earth, It is noted that this ki is FAR, FAR superoir to vegeta / piccolo but nothing to 100% freeza level, Vegeta becoming more and more close to bulma - CHECK. :), @apex_pretador: https://kissanime.to/Anime/Dragon-Ball-Z-Movie-15-Fukkatsu-no-F-Dub/Movie-720p?id=117959. So... the same argument from ignorance you were already called out on then? mecha frieza is confirmed in both the manga and dbz kai to be stronger than his 100% form. Mecha Frieza Edit. Weaker: Android 17. In the anime Frieza seemed to use more of his power. Completely illogical? Also, the blast wasn't any notable thing as it is "just" marking the start of the fight. I like to think that Piccolo at the time was stronger than Mecha Freeza by a decent margin, but not such a large gap that people who are already stronger than Freeza without absorbing tons of energy still get stomped by Piccolo. mecha frieza rip off of is actually stronger that his 100% form and more on par with the androids trunks fought in the future Mecha Frieza's power level is 14,000,000. freiza power level is stronger frieza vs trunks . There is no reason for Frieza to hold back any power after pissing himself at the sight of Trunks' transformation. Mecha Frieza was much stronger than previously, as, at 50% power he believed that he could easily outmatch a Super Saiyan. Mecha Frieza was much stronger than previously, as, at 50% power he believed that he could easily outmatch a … 0. @overlordarthas: The super nova is the one that looks like a mini star. It's up for interpretation. @apex_pretador: Very nice. I usually don't make it a habit of wasting my time arguing with people who don't even seem to realize when they're using informal fallacies. Surely either Frieza or Cold was stronger than 150 mil unsuppressed to bother coming back to Earth to re-face Goku. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ETV UW 5AwThe best vennominaga deck ever =)... http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Weakened... ...ound 6.5 billion. Geralt of Rivia, Dec 16, 2011 #1. @apex_pretador: Very nice. The death ball is either black or read, usually with electricity around it. The funny thing is, your own scans on post #24 say otherwise... Frieza stated his cyborg body is stronger than his organic body, I see no reason why we couldn't trust him. Desperate for a genuine challenge, Ize killed his way across the galaxy before learning about the existence of Earth. ? Irrelevant power scailing is irrelevant. Future Gohan SSJ vs Mecha Frieza. All he did was shoot one ki balst. @jtmac005: 100% Frieza isn't slow, but ya he loses energy fast. Mecha Frieza is like the new and improved version of original Frieza, so I give it to him plus Frieza at 100% has shown not so good durability and has stamina issues. I'm pretty sure Trunks would've chopped up organic Frieza the same way. @overlordarthas: @sineyaprime: @redhood_jaytodd: Future trunks = Namek goku ONE SHOTTED mecha freeza. Cooler has one more transformation than Frieza.Yes due to Cooler passing to the next tranformation after which Frieza got. This topic is about the strength of King Cold, Mecha-Frieza, Trunks, and Goku. I didn't think Mecha wasn't stronger than 100%, just that they'd fight long enough till 100% loses enough power. Would be better if you just posted the quote. Trunk, had become a Super Saiyan at least one other time before facing Frieza, so there was a little time before then, meaning he could’ve gotten a little stronger. The point is, we can't be sure how much power he was using when he fired that blast. As for the power sensing arguement, the Z-warriors don't say that there was a greater power than Frieza, they say there is a power as STRONG as Frieza, making them fairly equal in power. Regardless, we don't know for sure how much power Frieza uses when he attacked Trunks. Especially when they keep using the exact same fallacies over and over again even after being called on it. Who wins against Cooler vs Frieza… Go. Frieza's Japanese voice actor, Ryūsei Nakao jokingly placed Golden Frieza's power level at “one hundred quintillion” (or 1.2 billion times stronger than the Fourth form). He is the Only DBZ villian to have 3 movies baised around him, he was born a Super Sayian, and he's insane. — Frieza talking to Zarbon about exterminating the Saiyan race after King Vegeta's rebellion. Mechanical Frieza wins. @alextheboss: My bad. In this form, he appears as a cyborg version of his true form. @thedarkpaladin: Ya, IMO Frieza did something like what he did to ssj Goku. Mecha Frieza vs Metal Cooler in Dragon Ball Z is today’s VS battle, featuring the GOLDEN SCOUTER! Also whenever Frieza powers up it is shown. Death Ball is the attack he used to destroy Namek. He has to use the same power he did against Trunks. While each new villain in the series is far stronger than the next, Frieza is the only one given the opportunity to improve, and given the opportunity, he becomes one of the strongest fighters in the universe. You literally said that Frieza didn't power up because it was never noted... That's what we logical thinkers like to call a logical fallacy. Do you know the Answer Please Sign-in Or register in order Answer this question? Mecha Frieza was much stronger than previously, as, at 50% power he believed that he could easily outmatch a Super Saiyan. What do you think if he didn't loose energy. Okay so Super Saiyan Goku's power level on Namek was 150,000,0000, while Frieza's was 120,000,000, Goku beats Frieza and he is brought back as Mecha Frieza, who was said to be even stronger than his final form on Namek although we aren't given an exact amount. Not saying organic Frieza wins, but I don't see how you got he has worse durability showings than Mecha Frieza. … @apex_pretador: Yup, I think so. Share your thoughts, experiences and the tales behind the art. I don't really see why he would either, but the fight happend so fast there is really no way to know. Mecha Freeza, he was implied to be slightly stronger than his former self and he will not start losing power. mecha frieza was a bit stronger then regular freiza but when he fought trunks I doubt that he was at full power since he would of put up a better fight against him umm well they need to fix his voice cuz it sounds like a girl in the english dub freiza's voice is done by a woman . That's silly logic. It's left entirely up to speculation. @nishi99: Mecha Frieza is limited from powering up if he has that ability. SSJ Kid Trunks vs. Mecha Frieza Discussion in 'Manga/Anime Battledome' started by Geralt of Rivia, Dec 16, 2011. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. [citation needed] According to the Daizenshuu, Frieza was also inspired by Toriyama's second editor, Yū Kondō. However, I personally don't believe he was holding back at this point: I never read the manga that much but in the anime it is clear that Frieza feeling it and got impatient. @thedarkpaladin: I wish they made it more clear. Only noted power ups in that arc were from SSJ Trunks and SSJ Goku as far as I recall. Not to mention they're bigger, stronger, faster, and have longer claws than the Yao Guai.... Mg2+(aq) + 2e- = Mg(s) E° = - 2.37V Cl2(g) + 2e- = 2Cl-(aq) E° = + 1.36V... yes. "I may be able to take care of him by … Also it usually takes time for Frieza to fully power up. 24.118.227.213 04:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC) Why is the DeathClaw stronger then the Yao Guai even though Bears are stronger then lizards IRL? ultimately Freeza is lazy. Topic: Future Gohan SSJ vs Mecha Frieza. LITERALLY EVERYTHING is noted in that mini-arc. Ehh, I still say Mecha Frieza takes this. He turned out to be … I just don't think Frieza fully powered up. He wouldn't confront Goku, knowing how strong his Super Saiyan form is, without powering up. Prove what wrong, your argument from ignorance? There is really no way to know for sure. In Dragon Ball Heroes there is a version of Golden Frieza called "Rage Golden Frieza" which is an empowered version of Golden Frieza fuelled by Rage which also appears in Super as well. Dragon Ball: 5 Moves Stronger Than Frieza's Death Ball (& 5 That Are Weaker) Out of every Dragon Ball villain we've come to known over the years, Frieza is definitely one we wouldn't want to run into alone. Also whenever Frieza powers up it is shown. You could actually make an argument that golden Frieza is stronger than Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta. I seriously doubt Frieza would hold back at that point. Good for Piccolo and Vegeta. Frieza's personality seems to be a counter to Goku's lighthearted, charming, kind, and peaceful one, but it is unknown if this was done intentionally. My question is, how the hell was Future Trunks able to defeat him so easily? Yeah, I can't really see why Frieza would hold back after finding out that Trunks was an SSJ. Does that mean we know base Trunks didn't power down? Also cause, you know, cyborg. If thats not enough for you, Super Buu(Gohan Absorbed), being the strongest buu, could only be defeated by a fusion... ... is a good fight, Broly is powerful. Also there's that line with Gohan saying that Frieza could get much stronger. Neither, as they are not over nine thousand.... ...s stronger than Cell.Proof? Frieza is spiteful and hate fueled, but he's not stupid. mind showing any SINGLE power up which wasn't noted? Then he used his supernova which Trunks was able to easily push back, but had to dodge it when it exploded. I kinda remember a scan of him saying he didnt need Cold's help since he increased his power he could do it himself. but will he be able to fight him that long? He wouldn't confront Goku, knowing how strong his Super Saiyan form is, without powering up. Determine the cell reaction, the standard cell potential (E0 cell) and the half-cell that acts as the cathode for the voltaic cells composed of the following half-cells. Every single powerup / powerdown was noted from that mini-arc, Almost every single minor detail was noted , especially in battle, everything was noted, BUT the only thing, which was not noted, is a speculation - where you assume without any evidence that freeza was suppressed and powered up to attack trunks, while no one notes, and everyone seems to ignore. @thedarkpaladin: I wish they made it more clear. I really don't see any other point in adding that line. Even if he wasn't using 100% (no real way to know) then subject would be left entirely up to speculation. Freeza was just some pieces floating in space for over 1 yr before he was turned into mecha, probably unconscious, and mecha freeza >>> pieces of freeza in space, so he might feel powered up even if he's nowhere near namek arc 100%. What does that have to do with anything? I am literally just going to copy-paste my answer from another question (asking to rank 17, Gohan, Frieza, Vegeta, and Goku) here. Frieza is spiteful and hate fueled, but he's not stupid. In this form he appears as a cyborg version of his true form. Well, the problem is that it’s difficult to really ascertain how strong Golden Frieza is, however, he is very powerful. Also, OP limited him to that power anyways. Kind of like how when fighting Raditz Goku's power level jumped up when he used his kamehameha. ...r is actually is stronger than Frieza. Due to the damage that he had gained by Super Saiyan Goku, and the destruction of Namek, Frieza was found by his father, King Cold and transformed into Mecha Frieza. It's known that Dabura was as strong as Cell, and Dabura was done in by Fat Buu, who was weaker then Grey Buu. Frieza is a lizard-like alien whom some refer to as a changeling, Ice-jin, a Frost Demon, or an Arcosian. @redhood_jaytodd: When did organic Frieza not show good durability? t0sh. We know what power freeza had at the time of attack, the same he had when landing (unless there is ANY SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE against it). But which one? In the battle with Frieza as well, they move so fast that it's barely noticeable to Krillin who's a human being. Base Trunks' power down wasn't noted? I'd give unsuppressed Mecha Frieza a … I think the most likely scenario is his blast was powered up but he didn't raise his actual power level. King Cold has been stated to be stronger than both Frieza and Cooler, ... After the short speech Mecha Frieza dashes towards the enemy with his head in the stomach, while King Cold flies up high. Why where the Androids stronger than Mecha Frieza? Saying that he didn't power up because it wasn't noted is using erroneous reasoning. Android 17 was the biggest surprise of Dragon Ball Super. 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