There’s lots of places for disagreement, discussion and difference of opinion. Actually, I do sing, excepting outright heretical material, and with confidence. Anyway, some of these assumptions may have been a little off? Regarding homosexuality, you might be interested in Eve Tushnet, who is a celibate convert Catholic lesbian who accepts the Church’s teaching but has her own views on how best to communicate it, mostly on developing a theology of friendship (in the mode of St. Aelred of Rivaulx), finding a way to make chaste same-sex attracted people a resource not a burden, and to go easy on the language of brokenness, because that can come off too glib and condescending. But part of it for me is that I take the bull by the horns and take advantage of the richness. It made no practical difference to your supplies of food, clothing and war material – most of your subjects couldn’t read or write anyway. no religious motions to perform. Mostly I rather like the Catholic Church, if it could just revise its ideas about homosexuality and contraception I’d even consider wandering along the road to Rome. These were the rightful leaders of Christ’s Church. Well, maybe we will. Stigmata is when a person has unexplained wounds on their body that coincide with the traditional wounds that Christ had. Our pastor invites all believers, regardless of church affiliation, to take communion (and he intentionally says “believers” even though many small children will be seen taking communion; it’s up to the parents to decide). Clergy make mistakes, but there are no flaws in dogma. That is exactly why Luther called the Catholic Church and the Anabaptists (the forerunners of today’s Evangelicals), “two wolves tied at the tail”. But more than that, it makes me sad because I have no idea how to follow an instruction like that. In any case, I thought Devin’s argument was thoughtful. You nailed it on # 2, I spent a year studying to be catholic, and had co-workers who are cradle-Catholics who admitted they needed catechesis, but where remiss to go! God can & does reveal Himself to non-Catholics as He does to Catholics. The state of IL came awful close to executing a bunch of folks not guilty of the crimes of which they’d been convicted). I have heard that Baptists also have closed communion albeit for a different reason. Christ is not hypostatically united to bread, but the one hypostatic union of divinity and humanity is presented to us under the appearances of bread and wine. To be sure, one’s disagreements better be close to zero or none at all. One previously-owned Magisterium, lightly used, in excellent condition, owner must sell as going abroad, all reasonable offers considered, choice of colours for first sixty applicants? Didn’t the giant Jesus catch on fire David? What if I find them of no importance & actually think them over emphasized? we’re amillenialists, which I would never have known save for discussions about the Rapture), and here’s the result! There are two types of indulgence: Plenary (removes all temporal punishment) and partial (removes some punishment). How do we know which was the true Church and which were heretical schisms from the true Church? Most ended up leaving the Catholic Church as well. The Church also doesn’t forbid eating meat (except on Fridays and on certain days of the year out of devotion to the Lord). It is also alleged that Saint Pio was able to bi-locate (appear in two places at once) and to read the sins on a person’s soul. You see, these former Catholics weren’t protesting over the basic nuts and bolts of the Faith, they were protesting specific rules of the faith. Either way, he’d have a glittering, fulfilling career and a visible and measurable by the standards of the world record of achievement, whether in the service of God or Mammon. Granted, the Catechism takes into consideration affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety, and other social factors that can lessen, or even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability. But–I have a very hard time believing that this would make the entire teaching its leadership infallible or ‘definitive’ in the sense that it cannot be questioned. My distinct impression was that I would need to join the LCMS, and that joining the LCMS meant understanding and affirming all LCMS doctrine. (Not withstanding the fact that my folks were among the most active members of the parish and had already been receiving the sacraments on a regular basis for many years). 2. It is a problem if you vote for a Democrat if your intention is to support or promote abortion “rights”. Birth control. 4. Don’t worry about political correctness or holding it all in or even common courtesy (to an extent – nothing too vicious that will cause the moderators to ban your backside until the Second Coming, please!). I won’t be offended by anything up to and including “Your cult is not a Christian church, you’re all pagan goddess-worshipping idolaters and you’re going to burn in Hell along with your father the Devil and his servant the Anti-Christ, or as you call him, the Pope”. What if, then, He protected the Church He founded from error in her teachings (in spite of the sins of the Church’s members)? Its Anglican….! About 2.2 million. So…might I suggest that the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church is actually a bit East of Rome??? For an explanation of why this tu quoque doesn’t work, see this post: http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/05/the-tu-quoque/. If you use that (five patriarch) criterion for a council to be considered ecumenical, then the first one in Nicaea in 325 AD isn’t ecumenical, nor are many of the others (as various patriarchs from those sees were being tried and condemned for heresies in the early ecumenical councils). Perfectly logical, if you go along with that, and Devin also left open the option of not believing it. And, Catholics who wrongly claim those old anathemas don’t apply anymore, and that you can believe in justification by grace though faith alone and the Gospel’s assurance of salvation and be Catholic. And asphalted wheelchair ramp. They are famous for that kind of stuff, along with the Los Angeles Archdiocese Religious Education conference. IM now has a group on Facebook, which is designed to help readers of the Internet Monk blog connect and communicate in other ways and places. Matthew, this forwards to another web address. I’m quite familiar with systematic theology and had to understand Thomistic, Calvinist, Lutheran and Arminian theologies and realized that all have inherent weaknesses. You can surely eat corned beef if you want to, or practice any religion that you want to for that matter. his belief credited to him as righteousness. A cilice is an item worn on the body to inflict pain or discomfort for the sake of penance (remorse for your past actions). Wrong quote! 1190 §1). Communion in the Catholic Church is open to Catholics and Orthodox. Simple Faith of Father Abraham? So why did they have to be slaughtered? This would demean and trivialize the significance of our Lord’s assuming our human nature.” And, “The authentic Catholic understanding of the Eucharist, by contrast, is not a repetition of the Incarnation but an extension of it. Most Catholics who practice this form of discipline will not admit it publicly as it would be seen as a lack of humility that could lead to the sin of pride. Whether you come from the Society of St. Pius V (who broke with the Society of St. Pius X for being too liberal) or the Giant Papier-mâché Puppets of Doom wing of Holy Mother Church, this is an opportunity for you too to get stuck in to your co-religionists. Besides, you don’t know if there are any other better alternatives out there.”. May God continue to bless you and your family. My conscience tells me that some of the things He teaches are not true.”. Really, those who claim that Benedict is the worst Pope in history, have clearly not read any. The modern manifestation of this in the rest of the world is just pathetic. I disagree with their viewpoint, but I much prefer them over the mass of Christians of whatever background that neither know much nor care about deeply about their stream of Christian tradition. It means “let him be cursed”. al. Being a member of the United Methodist which came from the Anglican church that was under papal authority until the mid 15 hundreds. 1. Or is each one less important than the last? Tell that to Bishop (no, I won’t distinguish him with the silly label Archbishop–talk about an honorific title with little real meaning) Chaput, to say nothing of the folks on the Catholic forum I used to frequent. They had a yearning to know God better, and they seemed to find precious little help in the Catholic Church, The senior pastor’s response was to just keep on coming to Mass and receiving the sacraments, and eventually it would all come together for them. Ditto on abortion. As in #1 is the most important. Consider the opposite case that Truths do change. showing up to three little children under dubious circumstances, ummm not so much…. Every Monday through Friday night for years and years he has done a “Top Ten” list. But Catholics say almost the same thing. We are not foisting anything upon you. How do we grieve the hundreds of thousands of people the Covid-19 pandemic has killed? She wrote: The teachings of the Catholic Church have been uniformly against abortion in any form, and have been s… Why aren’t we sensible? and that is what i must emphasize: my experience with the divine not the golden standard or “more excellent way” as others claim. You can have conscience, but that the contents of your conscience have to match Catholic teaching. “Rum, Romanism and Rebellion”! It’s not such a bad way of getting through one’s life.”, Waugh also has Cordelia tell Charles “The Superior simply said, ‘I did not think there was anything I could do to help him except pray.’  He was a very holy old man and recognized it in others.”  “Holiness?”  “Oh yes, Charles, that’s what you’ve got to understand about Sebastian” and “I’ve  seen others  like him, and I believe they are very near and dear to God.”. Baptism restores this. From a historical perspective I believe the English Monarchy also had a heavy hand in the Waldesian affair. When it comes to government representatives supporting abortion that is a possibility as they in affect excommunicate themselves…. Perhaps we can steal say, Land of Rest from the Southern Protestants, and change the words around so it’s used during the climax of Eucharistic worship. I think that also showed how the Catholic chruch lost its course as well. Articles. Had I stayed Catholic when younger I don’t think my sin wouldn’t have caused as much problem in life. Original Sin–the concept that humans are born defective and the only cure is Jesus and His Church. Always good to hear from you. I was at a high school graduation party and had pulled together a bunch of seniors to play volleyball (I’m use to doing this with my kids – and the seniors looked bored anyway) and in the middle of the game up walks the local Campus Life guy to pull a couple of them away to ask about their relationship with Jesus (he announced it loud enough). Once they arrived, they discovered that it was nothing but a young priest giving a talk and slideshow on the churches of Europe, and different ways to decorate the church buildings to make them seem more appealing to outsiders. When a newspaper article says “Vatican condemns!” or “Pope slams!”, usually what it boils down to is some obscure dicastery has issued a paper on a topic tangential to the one that the headline is dragged out of, or that the Rome stringer has had an agreeable mid-morning coffee with a priest who works in the office of the under-secretary of the secretary for something-or-other, and he’s written up their chat into a newstory. In addition, it seems to me that a religious movement benefits from some dialog, perhaps even some creative tension between collective teaching and individual conscience/experience. I think at one point I was under the impression that this line of thinking might fit with the post-Vatican II RCC. In fact someone would have had to call an exorcist. 4. the notion that the only truth is that there is no truth). What are the 5 actions of the Catholic Church? In many cases, the arguments they are making are quite rational. The Pope must be making a decree on matters of faith or moralsII. I take it as a penance that I must endure such awful claptrap, empathizing with our Lord, who also must hear this banal cacophony. Goretti!) it was a quiet realization that God simply would not meet with me thru the worship form i was raised in…, at least that is how He communicated the nudge to me…, He removed me from the religious trappings+distractions to continue the quiet meditative connection i had originally enjoyed when i was in Kindergarten-1st grade. If one lives in an age where martyrdom is possible, would you renounce your belief in Jesus to avoid torture? Humanae Vitae can be argued on logical footing and be refuted. (“Open thou our lips…”). A Bible? Checking up now and then. So don’t stake too much on it. I wonder, would this include threats of withholding Communion from an alderperson who voted to give a permit for Planned Parenthood office, even if the organization ticked all the right boxes? Well, if you’re been following the nine (this one makes ten) series of posts I’ve been graciously permitted to cast up on screen here since March, you already know all about this one. 5. I can understand the Catholic and the Reforming perspectives, and it causes me no end of anxiety. By what I think is divine providence we had a gentlemen at our table who used to teach RCIA, and he became a gold mine of information. Never mind the fact that the average John or Jane in the pew probably can’t even pronounce “Magisterium”, much less give an accurate or at least working definition of it, we have one and you (probably) don’t. The declaration must be binding on the whole ChurchIII. In fact, the decision to remain celibate occurs before the ordination to the diaconate and cannot be changed. 4. !, I have a ton of things to say about them I for one will NEVER tell anyone the Catholic church is perfect, and I would argue that anyone who does is either delusional or an Apologist!! Again, an item more important in the saint’s life is thus a more important relic. Let me add 1 more: Catholic football teams have had a better history of success. Are you sure there’s no Irish ancestry there yourself? but I do know that Cardinal Wuerl – formerly the Bishop of my city and now Bishop of Washington DC has refused to withhold communion from these candidates. The massacre of the Waldenses. Do Protestant really, truly believe in “faith alone”? More fun to come in Part Deux, same Bat-time, same Bat-channel! There are some things I likely will always feel unsure about or on which I will probably always respectfully disagree. 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